I finished a scarf that I started at a workshop last week.  The warp is 10/2 cotton.  I could not get good enough light to hemstitch the beginning of the piece at the workshop and didnt hemstitch the end because I wanted both edges the same.  I was told that twisting or braiding the fringe would hold the end weft picks in place.

I have been trying different twisting and braiding on the sample piece.  All of them look sloppy at the edge of the woven piece.  I tried twisting two groups of four, then plying and this gives a good diameter fringe, but the warp ends at the edge of the weaving look sloppy.  A 2 x2 twist and ply (4 strands) is too skimpy.  A three strand braid with six strands is also skimpy and also leaves something to be desired at the woven edge.  A four strand braid using 8 strands (doubled strands) is a nice thickness, but the woven edge is really ugly.

So, I need to hemstitch.  I have never done this off the loom.  Can it be done?  If so, how?  I hate to have done all this work only to have sloppy edges.

Comments

sally orgren

but is not as easy, now that the piece is no longer under tension. You might want to put a heavy book on the woven part of the scarf, and hem stitch as you would on the loom, using your non-stitching hand to add a bit of tension on the grouped warps as you stitch. If you can practice on something else first, that might be a good idea.

Have you considered using fine sewing machine thread in a matching color to machine stitch a solid line at the fell on both scarf ends, then twist the fringe up to that edge? If you haven't done a lot of hemstitching, this may give you a better/straighter edge.

Sally

gailc

Thanks, Sally.  I have done quite a bit of hemstitching, but always on the loom.  I may have to give that a try.  I cannot sew a straight line even with every guide known to man and a line drawn on the fabric.  I doubt I could get a straighter edge by sewing.  My weft was 20/2 cotton and I could probably use that in the machine if I knew how to wind it on a spool.  But, since I stink at sewing straight lines, maybe that wouldnt be the way to go.

weaver-dyer (not verified)

Hemstitching off the loom can be done, but it is tedious.  Don't ask me how I know. You mentioned trying various twisting and plaiting solutions.  When twisting or plaiting in addition to weighting the scarf, it is also helpful to pin the scarf at the fell line to a piece of styrofoam marked with a grid. This will give you a straight line to work with.  Also, it helps to keep the fell straight by taking the last end of one group of threads and switching it with the first end of the next group of threads.  Much easier seen--assume that you are working with groups of four ends twisting A and B together, C and D together, E and F together, etc.

AAAA BBBC   BCCC DDDE   DEEE FFFG  etc.

Janet

 

debmcclintock

Repeating what Janet said above, consider crossing the different braid sections to create a small link that will hold the weft in...for instance, if you are braiding left to right, divide into your 3 braid units (grp 1), go to your right and divide your next 3 braiding units (grp 2), cross the right most grp 1 section with the left most grp 2 section.  Briad the first group using the grp 2 section, as you work across the scarf you'll and are consistent in how you cross the group braid units before you braid you'll see a nice pattern.  Or in other works, you have 1 2 3 and 4 5 6, cross 3 and 4, and braid 124 togeather and braid 457 togeather (see you picked up the next cross!).  

This also works for twisting, just cross your twist partners with the twist partners next to them.

kerstinfroberg

Usually I use a knot at the fell, before twisting, like this:

- of course it can be done with only one knot, which can then be divivde for twisting, but I prefer to use two. When I do the knots, I place the scarf on a ruled pad (like for cutting quilt pieces), weigh it down and place the knots in a straight line. To manipulate the knots it helps to use a needle (for knitting or a biggish sewing needle) to make the final placement.

gailc

Thanks, all.  My posts have not appeared, so I am addressing you jointly.  I was working with groups of 2 threads, i.e., if I did a 3 strand braid I was using 6 strands, but only crossing the first thread and last thread between groups.  I will try crossing two threads and see if that looks better.  I am going to try knotting at the fell, too.  I dont enjoy hemstitching, but it sure does work better for me.

heatherbarrick (not verified)

i have made the error of hemstiching one side and forgetting to hemstich the other. i pulled out my embroidery hoop to get tension back on the threads it was fussy but it worked.

Weavejoyforall

I am pretty new to weaving, having just finished my first scarf on my little brio childs loom.   I find hemstiching fun but on my first piece I forgot to hemstich at beginning of my scarf.  I did get it done after it was taken off the loom (not fun or easy) Will most assuradly remeber to hemstich at the beginning of my next project !!  What I was surprised at was the quality of weaving one can do on a small childrens "toy" loom like the Brio.  I assumed it would be sloppy or not come out as well as larger looms...But it turned out really well for my first piece.  :)

sally orgren

is a great idea for putting the tension back on!

sequel (not verified)

If you have those protective mats on your dining room table, flip them ver and lay your fabric on the felt side.  This will help hold your handwoven cloth in place and prevent it from sliding around while you do your hemstitching.  You'll still need something heavy to hold the other end of the cloth.  I like to hem stitch off the loom because it lets you pull up the clusters of warp into a tighter bundle.

ReedGuy

With wool scarves and throws, I have done it similar to Kerstin's method. With scarves I drape it over a chair and weight it on the seat with a heavy book and fringe away. ;) I've also done it by knotting the end after it is twisted. Then once washed cut the knot off. The wool yarns stay put for me.

gailc

I tried all the methods suggested and they didnt look as good to me as a hemstitched edge would look. So, I spent a day and a half hemstitching off the loom. It was slow enough to convince me to remember to hemstitch on the loom.  A portable light will be an essential in every workshop that I take in the future.

I started by tying knots, or trying to, at the fell.  I couldnt keep all of them tight up against the last pick, so they looked sloppy.  I did, however, tie them so tight that I couldnt remove them from the edges - an inch of black warp on either side didnt help.  I hope that no one else notices, and that I forget about them because they will bother me forever.  Maybe they will be less noticeable after twisting.

ReedGuy

Run a piece of masking tape along the ends before removing from the loom.

twoquinns

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