Hi,

As quite a new weaver I come across a lot of names like crackle weave, rosepath, goos eye, overshot, deflected weave, honeycomb etc.

I really would *love* an overview and learn what it is, exactly. Some of them I recognize now, some I don't, and some...meh, I think I have an idea. 

That's not good enough ;)

Can someone point me to a website or a book where I can find a clear overview or something?

Thanks!

 

PS. I'm dutch, so my English isn't perfect..

Comments

Sat, 10/08/2016 - 23:36

Queezle

My first book on weaving was "The Weaver's Workbook" by Chetwynd.  It is a 100 page book that tries to do it all - warping through many, many weave structures.  Each weave structure has only about a page, and a diagram.  This is the book that whet my appetite, and after reading and daydreaming, I purchased my two looms.

But as an actual weaver, this book was too superficial.  My path has been to dive into one weave structure, and play with it for a while, then on to a different weave structure.  I do not know any book that covers them all!

A good book that goes into depth on weave structure is Sharon Alderman's "mastering weave structures".  We have a group here that has been working with it.  I think someone wrote down the topics for each chapter. 

Its a wonderful path, discovering weaving, have fun.

Sun, 10/09/2016 - 06:07

Gone

Queezle mentions a very good book to have in your library. As a new weaver, you'll be buying books. That's a certainty. Another book which is very helpful is "The Key to Weaving" by Mary Black. It covers most of the different types of structures as well as a lot of other helpful information. It's an excellent resource book too.

https://www.amazon.com/Key-Weaving-Textbook-Beginning-Revised/dp/0025111701

There are really only a handfull of 'different' categories of weave structures. Plain weave, basket weave, twill weave and satin weave. Most weaves stem from these basic structures or are a derivitive of them. They can be combined also in the same cloth but mainly there are only a few foundation weave categories. 

Example: When you say 'rosepath' 'goos-eye' or 'crackle', you're talking mainly about twill derivitives. Diviersified plain weave is obvious what it's based on. Huck lace and Bronson lace are also based on plain weave.

The two books above are a good start for any weavers library. But don't forget the bible: Handweavers Pattern Book - by M.P Davison.  Or the Handweavers Pattern Directory by Anne Dixon. Two other good source books.

Websites: There's Handweaving.net. It contains over 50,000 drafts. Many of them are categorized so you can view the draft to get an idea of what the differences are visually. It's a wonderful resource for weavers. Also, there is the Online Digital Archive

http://www.cs.arizona.edu/patterns/weaving/

it contains a lot of historic literature on weaving. Another great resource. 

Welcome to the rabbit hole!  Don't overwhelm yourself. Above all, have fun.

 

Sun, 10/09/2016 - 17:17

kerstinfroberg

TomZ, I am intrigued by your including "basket weave"! among the basic structures - where does it come from? It could be "culture", I suppose, but here in Sweden we usually just count to three: plain, twill and satin. ?

StudioWeeft, I'm sure there has to be some good basic weaving books in Dutch. One place to start could be http://weefschool.nl/. Also, I believe Erica de Ruiter is Dutch (no web page, but she is on Weavo)

It may be easier to start a new study in one's own language... (mine is Swedish - and, after 30+ years, there are lots of Eng/Am terminology that is, umm, "Greek" to me)

Kerstin from Sweden

 

Sun, 10/09/2016 - 19:47

Gone

Kerstin, I agree. Basket is just a doubling of plain weave. But I've seen it categorized in several articles, even older ones, as a 'structure'.  I suppose it could be separated as something a bit more applicable to upholstery than clothing. But I stand corrected. It is a plain weave derivitive.

 

 

 

Mon, 10/10/2016 - 02:18

theresasc

about Mary Black's book.  It has such great information and some nice drafts.  I really need to get it out.

The Joy of Handweaving  by Osma Gallinger Todd is also a very good book on structure.

Mon, 10/10/2016 - 09:39

nieuwWeef

Thanks!

I tried to use another word instead of structure, but I couldn't find the right one, being dutch. But I think the idea of my question -over all- came across :)

My plan isn't to weave all these stuff while learning the termonology, but for example, when browsing this site, I come across words like that and I don't know what it is. I'm not interested I weaving everything. Besides, I'm more a freestyler and texture lover then a complicated pattern form start to finish lover ;) 

It would be nice to just know! When I'm interested in something I want to know what is A and what is B and what is C.. It's strange to me there isn't one directionary or something.

@kerstinfroberg I recently joined a masterclass, and they used dutch terminology. I am used to the english when it comes to weaving, since I teach myself from books and the internet. I always measure in inches and yards when it comes to weaving. I'm used to it, I guess (I never read novels translated from english to dutch either, I read the original). Reading is no problem, writing/speech...well,  it's a harder to get your point across precisely, as in my quesion when I used the word structure for lack of a better word ;) 

 

 

Mon, 10/10/2016 - 18:07

laurafry

Then there is the problem of some English words having so many meanings.  Sharon Alderman's book Mastering Weave Structures (I think it is called) or Madelyn van der Hoogt's book (title escapes me - not enough coffee this morning?)  

Then there is the tendency for English speakers to 'name' specific threading/tie-up/treadling combinations with cute labels, like all the different overshot threadings with 'fancy' names as in M. P. Davison's book.  Sometimes it is hard to separate an actual threading/interlacement from a 'marketing name'.  I recently saw this again in regards to 'dimity' (which reminds me - I need to look that term up in Watson's book to get *his* take).

I envy people who have more than one language.  I have tried (and failed) to learn something other than English.

Welcome to the wonderful world of weaving.  :)

Mon, 10/10/2016 - 20:32

nieuwWeef

Yes, when it comes to jargon, it's a neverending story, no matter what language I think.. Almost everyone in The Netherlands can speak English, my youngest daughter is 6 and she can understand it, and speak it quite well also. Just from games at school (English 'lessons' since 4yo in school) and tv and games on the iPad ;) Since English is EVERYWHERE and -for example- Dutch isn't, we have a an huge advantage....well, a need, actually ;)

Tue, 10/11/2016 - 03:45

Sara von Tresckow

Laura is so right about the "cute" naming conventions here in N. America. For a more organized approach you probably should be looking at Swedish, Dutch or German books about weave structures/drafting. They use the three basic weaves - plain, twill and satin and then expand on "derivative" weaves stemming from those. Far too often weavers don't stop and think that their "structure" is derived from a simple twill.

"Handweven" by A. Gerritsen-Veen in Dutch contains an excellent chapter on drafting/structures including damask and other specialty structures.

There is a Swedish title "Warp och Inslag" (Eriksson, Gustavsson, Lovallius) that is excellent. (Unfortunately the English translation "Warp & Weft" just went out of print and is difficult to find.

Erika Arndt's "Handbuch Weben" has a very large chapter on Bindungslehre (Bindningslara in Swedish, Bindingsleer in Dutch). Roughly translated to English Binding study - binding used in the sense of interlacements. The weave structure is really the interlacing of the threads, not a threading diagram, treadling sequence or tieup, but a composite of all three.

 

Tue, 10/11/2016 - 08:33

nieuwWeef

Thank you Sara, that is very helpful!