I'm working on an overshot pattern and very frustrated.  The pattern is the placemats from Overshot is Hot (pg 42).  I'm using the exact threads called for in the pattern, 10/2 pearl cotton for the warp and tabby weft and 3/2 p.c. for the pattern weft.  As you can see from the picture, my pattern threads are too far apart, not snuggled up to each other like I think they are supposed to be (and as they are in the picture in the book).  In fact, I even cut down the number of threads in each horizontal section from 6 to 4 but the whole thing is still way too elongated.  The section I've pictured should be square. I'm beating as hard as I can but the pattern threads are still too far apart.

Of note, I also did the overshot bookmarks from this same book and they came out fine, though they used 20/2 and 10/2.  Any ideas on what I'm doing wrong?   Thanks in advance. overshot sample

 

 

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SallyE (not verified)

What sett did you use?    Are you using 8 shafts, or 4?  Which treddling pattern are you using?

 

Raine59

The sett is 24 (what the pattern said to use). I'm using 8 shafts on a table loom.  I'm not sure what you mean by which treadling pattern.

SallyE (not verified)

There are several treddling patterns in that article (pages 42-45).   Which one are you using?

I'm also wondering about your tension on the table loom.   Can you get a good tension on it?

Artistry

Raine59, Are you just putting one shot of tabby between the pattern shots? Hard to tell, but some places there looks like there might be two. Cathie

JennieHawkey (not verified)

Are you comfortable that you have threaded 24 epi? You probably know this, but if you have a 12 dent reed you should put two threads in each dent in the reed.

If you have it available you can try a smaller thread as the tabby. Most common would be a 20/2 thread. This might let you pack in your threads more closely.

Jennie

Raine59

I'm using the treadling pattern on page 45. I feel like my tension is pretty tight.

I'm just putting one shot of tabby between each pattern thread.

I'm sure I have 24 epi.  I do have some 20/2 thread but it took a long time to warp so I really don't want to do it all over again.  And since I'm using what the pattern called for, I don't understand why it's not working. 

I noted that on the overshot bookmarks I used 20/2 as the warp, and it was set at 30 epi.  I'm thinking that 10/2 is only half as thick as 20/2, so shouldn't the sett be half of 30 or just 15?

 

Artistry

Raine59 For 10/2 cotton the sett recommendations are 20, 24, 28. I'd try opening it to 20 -22 and see what happens. Good Luck! Cathie

SallyE (not verified)

You don't have to re warp it to use 20/2 for your tabby picks.   Just try it for awhile on the existing 10/2 warp and see if it helps.  

BTW, there are 4 treddling pattern on page 45. . . .

 

sally orgren

1) You don't typically "beat" on a table loom because there isn't enough room to beat between the castle and front beam. You "squeeze" the weft in, pulling the beater toward the front beam. (Beating on a table loom ends up being more like "tapping".) 2) Cut off a sample and wash it. Don't judge what is on the loom under tension and unwashed with the photos in the book. 3) If still not happy, try the 20/2 as the tabby/background weft, as others have mentioned.

ReedGuy

Can you count the threads per inch in the tabby weft with a ruler? And see if that matches your sett. The pattern threads just float and the tabby packed in under them anyway. I did some placemats in Christmas Rose and just doubled the pattern weft (10/2 merc). Mine worked with 16 epi, but different patterns can have different setts, best to see how many tabby picks your getting.

sally orgren

1) 24 sett for 10/2 should be correct. 2) Adjusting your pattern picks from the pattern given is also okay (to square).

ReedGuy

Certainly sounds right for 10/2 cotton in a twill, but for a tabby I'm thinking a little more open. Maybe it's just a gut feeling. Also as was mentioned about tension on a table loom. It may be a tissue. I've seen before on here where a table loom just couldn't do a certain weave.

I like overshot to weave up square, that's how it is presented in books and old texts. Not that that is the rule. But I have made it one of mine. ;)

Joanne Hall

You can get a tighter beat if you beat both when you close the shed and then again when you open the next shed to weave.  And, using a temple will give you a tighter weave. 24 epi should be ok, but with a table loom, it might take a little more effort to get a tight weave.

Joanne