So I've got my new-to-me Varpa set up for an 8H pattern.  (I successfully wove a 4H pattern on it already, threading the treadles in every other hole in the lamms to keep them separated.)  I am having quite a bit of difficulty depressing the correct treadle.  My feet, which I think are average size, have a hard time stepping on just one treadle at a time.  I have used Su Butler's trick of putting a clothespin betwen the treadles at the back of the loom on the treadle bar, but by the time those treadles 'float' all the way to the front of the loom, those spaces are gone.  

Because my loom can accommodate 12 harnesses & treadles, I used holes 11, 10, 9, 8, 5, 4, 3, & 2 on both sets of lamms.  That is, I left holes 12, 7, 6, & 1 empty.  This way there's a decent space between treadles 4 & 5 so I can easily find those two.  I can easily find treadles 1 & 8.  It's 2, 3, 6, & 7 that present difficulty.  Getting just one treadle REALLY slows me down.

For a bit of history, I've woven for several years on a 4H counterbalance (front hinge treadles) and an 8H Macomber (rear hinge treadles).  IMHO, it's the fact that the Varpa's treadles float for the entire depth of the loom that causes me the difficulty. 

I did read the other post on the Varpa/Toika group about treadle spacers (that's where I found Su's clothespin tip), and although mine didn't come with spacers, I'm not sure that they would really help me if I had them.  I feel like putting a clothespin on one edge of the front of each treadle would serve me better, keeping those treadles apart.

So my question for countermarch loom users is this -- is this something that will simply take time to get used to, or am I doing something wrong, or is there something I am missing about either set up or 'tricks'?

Thanks!

Peg

Comments

sandra.eberhar…

How wide are your treades and how far apart are they?

Dawn McCarthy

Toika and Varpa treadles are a little more narrow than Glimakra.  I tried the treadle gates and didn't care for it.  When the treadles are tied evenly it becomes easy with practice to move from one treadle to another.  I am attaching a pic of the plastic 1/2 wide washer/spacers I got from the hardware store, I have 10 treadles and 10 shafts on my Toika Liisa.

Peg.Cherre (not verified)

Bigwhitesofadog - my treadles are 1" wide.  At the back of the loom they're 1/2" apart - at the front of the loom they touch.

Thanks, Dawn.  I think the clothespins do the same thing as the spacers.  They're also 1/2" wide.

 

ReedGuy

I put spacers between my treadles as well. I turned them from maple, and if I recall, they are the same width as the treadles. This would allow me to have as many as 12 treadles if I wanted to reduce the width of the spacers  in the future. Always thinking ahead. ;)

Peg.Cherre (not verified)

ReedGuy - How did you attach your spacers?  I assume from your possibility about reducing size in the future, that they're attached in a way that they can be removed in the future, but nuts & bolts would be problemmatic regarding space taken.  Did you screw them in?

ReedGuy

They just slip on the treadle shaft (3/8" rod) with the treadles with thin washers between.

Of course new lamms would have to be made and holes lined up with the treadles. ;)

Peg.Cherre (not verified)

Ahhh - I see ReedGuy!  I do have spacers between the back of my treadles.  1/2".  The problem is that they float together by the front of the loom.

ReedGuy

I wonder if the shaft they are mounted to was stiff enough or if there is too much "slop" in the holes they mound on with?

Peg.Cherre (not verified)

Ok, I did a fix that will work as long as I only use 8 treadles.

I climbed inside the loom and moved the tie ups for treadles 1, 2, 7, & 8.  So now the following holes in my lamms are tied up: 1, 2, 4, 5, 8, 9, 11, 12.  I've skipped holes 3, 6, 7, and 10.  This put plenty of space in between treadles 3 & 4 and treadles 6 & 7, for my feet to find all the treadles easily.  It probably doubles my weaving speed.  (With the particular pattern I'm weaving now, which requires a floating selvedge, it's not quick anyway.)

If I ever decide to upgrade to 10 or 12 harnesses & treadles, which my loom will accommodate, this won't work, but for 8, it's swell.

Thanks for all your input!

Sara von Tresckow

By the time you want to use all treadles, you'll be so used to finding the treadles that you 'll be amused at your difficulties today.

Peg.Cherre (not verified)

You're probably right, Sara.  I want to LOVE this Varpa, so I figure I have to do what makes sense for me to fall in love with it now, even if those are different than what I'll want later.  My current blank holes makes the weaving SO much faster that it's a pleasure, as opposed to the challenging chore it was before.

Su Butler

HI Peg....I added a home made treadle gate to my Toika, which has 20 treadles, and my problem was solved. While I still have to turn my foot sideways to depress a treadle, the right to left float has disappeared and I can accurately choose which treadle I want by feel. You many want to try it! I have a photo of my treadle gate on my website.....It was a simple matter of using a drill press to drill the holes to accept the hardwood dowels and then rigging up a way to attach it to the loom. Su :-)

Peg.Cherre (not verified)

Su - I went to your website & poked around a bit, but couldn't seem to find a photo of your treadle gate.  Can you give me the specific URL?

Su Butler

HI Peg.....go to www.subudesigns.com When you get there, click on GALLERY on the top tool bar. When you see the drop down box, click on the arrow and choose TOIKA Looms...the first two pictures are pics of the treadle gate. If you click on the picture it will enlarge so you can see more detail. Hope that helps... Su :-)

TheLoominary (not verified)

Hi Peg, here is a stock photo showing a treadle gate as used on the Cranbrook loom. Frank

Peg.Cherre (not verified)

As usual, a picture is worth 1000 words.  Seems like one could be fashioned relatively easily, particularly after seeing Su's.  

I think I'm going to weave another warp without a gate, but with my spaced tie up, and see how it goes.  Actually, I need to do a weaving comparison - the same fiber, the same weave pattern on my Mac & my Varpa.  One of them needs to be sold, and I need to decide which one.

Su Butler

HI Peg...yes, mine was very easy to build. A drill press was used to make sure the holes that hold the hardwood dowels were straight. Hardwood dowels were sanded prior to glueing in place. The bolts and nuts "mechanism" used to attach the gate to the loom was pretty straightforward. Whole project cost me nothing, as it was made from scraps from a friends wood pile......I am so glad I installed the gate on my loom. Now when I fish for a treadle, I find it and it stays put instead of swaying from side to side.