When stepping on two treadles, nothing happens :-(

By Greta G, 17 February, 2014
Hi Can someone assist me, please? In Handwoven 1997, p. 60 is a draft for Double weave Christmas ornament, and I am stuck, literally, even though I have dressed the loom, then when I step on two treadles at the time, as indicated in the draft, nothing happens, exept the one of the old cotton heddles I use to tie one of the horses up, broke. I have Bergå Savonia CB loom. The tie up has 'o' instead of the 'x' which indicate I need to tie up, the empty spaces in the draft, to lift up the shafts. Which I did. When I step on one treadle at the time, I get the right shaft up (the draft is for 4 shafts and 6 treadles) so my tie up is correct, but in the draft I need to step on two treadles at the time, and everything is stuck. I tie the horses on shaft 1 and 2, then 3 and 4, and mirroring on the other side. I will try to post picture of the draft. Best regards Greta

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laurafry

8 years 7 months ago

I wonder if there is a mistake in the information...when stepping on both treadles, are you trying to lift *and* sink the same shaft?  

cheers,

Laura

Greta G

8 years 7 months ago

 

and thank you for your reply,

no, I am trying to lift 3 shafts:

 

 

  R P     W     P     R   P     W     P                   R   W W     R     W W       R         R   W   R R       W             R     O       O   W   O O     R     O O   W         O   O      

 

 

Greta G

8 years 7 months ago

and thank you for your reply,

no, I am trying to lift 3 shafts and sink one.

I am finding it difficult to place a picture of the draft, but without success.

 

 

ReedGuy

8 years 7 months ago

I don't think the site here supports PNG images. Your draft doesn't load, I get a broken link to it. But you might be looking at a draft for direct Tie-up. If you have lamms then you use just one treadle and the lamms do the lifting and sinking of the shafts. Another senario might be if these o's mean not to be tied to that treadle? I have drafts here in a book that do not tie some shafts to the treadles such as Pseudo-Damask, taquete, lampas, pique. If your trying to lift as well as lower the same shaft in the tie-up, then it's not going to happen.

Greta G

8 years 7 months ago

and thank you for your reply, I have now placed another picture of the draft - hopefully it does load.

As I understand it, if there are "x" in the tie up, it means sinking shafts, and "o" means lifting shafts (I might me wrong, as my knowledge and experience are not very high).

I therefore tied up the empty spaces of to the lamms (from shafts to lamms and there to the treadles), and when I step on one treadle at the time, I get the right shaft(s) lifted up.

I am trying to lower 3 different shafts at the time.

 

laurafry

8 years 7 months ago

Hmm - I wonder if you have enough treadles that you could simply tie them up the way they are supposed to be rather than step on two treadles at once?

cheers

Laura

Greta G

8 years 7 months ago

I can add two more treadles,

- thank you Laura, I will look into that tomorrow, as it is midnight at where I live.

best regards

ReedGuy

8 years 7 months ago

Are you trying to weave with a tabby ground? Looks like it to me, and that requires one tabby shot with one treadle followed by a pattern weft with the next and alternate as in overshot. Two treadles are for plain (tabby) and  4 treadles to the right for the pattern.

Tromp treadle 1, then 3, then 2, then 4, then 1, then 5, then 2, then 6 and repeat.

Instead of pickup, can it be done by the loom control instead on your loom?

 

Joanne Hall

8 years 7 months ago

If you have a counterbalance tie-up, you will need to tie up the treadles differently.  If you simply put elastic bands around each end of each shaft, as one does on a drawloom or on a narrow warp, you can follow the tie-up as it is written.  You would take off the ties to the pulleys and horses.

But, as suggested, if you have enough treadles for the draft, you can simply tie up to weave by pushing down one treadle at a time.

Joanne

Greta G

8 years 7 months ago

And thank you all for your replies. ReedGuy : this is double weave with pick up pattern, white motive on red ground, and reverse, tabby ground. Johanna: I will try to put elastic at the end, I have not done that before, but I found the pdf document, on how to adjust counterbalance loom from glimakra.com, so I will look at that when returning from work this evening. Ohoo how I díslike when the work get in the way of the weaving process ;-) Best regards and lots oft thanks for your input.

ReedGuy

8 years 7 months ago

Ah, one of them weaves I have avoided. Requires much patience and lots of time. I have one but not the other. :)

Joanne Hall

8 years 7 months ago

If you find a Scandinavian resource, it will tell you how to tie up the treadles.  A four shaft double weave pick up should not take more treadles than you have.  The author may have had a reason for the skeleton tie-up.

Once I taught a double weave pick up workshop for our guild and I brought a small  20 inch counterbalance loom, which I had made out of an old table loom and it worked just fine.  Many weavers wove on that loom.  Another loom was set up to do the same thing.  It was a table loom, which is a jack loom and no one wanted to weave on that loom.  The sheds were not good.  So, perhaps the author found a way to help get better sheds on a jack loom.

Joanne

ReedGuy

8 years 7 months ago

Or, Jennifer Moore's book on doubleweave with a section on pickup that clearly only uses one treadle presses on 4 shafts and 6 treadles. The method needs explanation on how to use the pick-up stick beyond just looking at a draft. Such as pushing the stick up to the reed before throwing the weft, then remove the stick and beat. And obviously using two shuttles to carry two colors, which you know anyway, but I still mention it. And many useful tips to make it a little easier. ;)

Greta G

8 years 7 months ago

As I was busy at work yesterday as well as today, there will be no work on the project. The project looked inecent enough in the magazine, and small, less than 6 cm, but small does not always mean easy. I have a book from the library: Væverens ABC, by Ingeborg Mule Henningsen, and there is a double weave, with pick up - draft there. I will look into that, tomoroow. Best regards