Here is a draft that I would like to weave in all white merc cotton 5/2 with a little bit of glitter yarn and red and green cotton for the center V (in the draft) in the warp and weft.  My question is will you be able to see the pattern at all?  I am weaving this on a 4 shaft and want it to be subtle with the splash of color.  Any and all thoughts would be extremely helpful!

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Sat, 12/01/2012 - 23:59

SallyE (not verified)

Well, there are two options that I see.   One option is to do samples, but it you need to change the color of certain threads in the warp ("red and green cotton for the center V ... in the warp and weft") you will have to re-thread and sample again.   The other option is to put it into a weaving program and try it there, but sampling will still be a good thing to do even after that.  

Do you have a weaving program?  I'd be happy to put it into mine if you tell me where you got the draft.

I have to say, I'm impressed if you can do that pattern on 4 shafts, but then, I'm not terribly good at looking at something and figuring that out.   I always have to do it "the hard way" with graph paper and a pencil!

 

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 00:37

laurafry

The pattern will be somewhat subtle unless you give the cloth a good hard press (compression) to flatten the threads.  That way the light will bounce off the warp and weft floats differently and the pattern will look like damask....

cheers,

Laura

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 02:03

r1mein54 (not verified)

Please do post how you will do this on 4 shafts.

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 02:19

endorph

well - it looks like a fascinating pattern.
Sun, 12/02/2012 - 02:55

Cheryl'B

I downloaded it from handweaving . net that I cannot log into for some reason.  If any of you would like me to email you the .wif file I can do that.  I am doing a single repeat of the pattern which gives me loom with of 19" @ 20 epi.  I hope that's the right set.

Laura.....that is what I wanted to hear.  To know the pattern will be there but I wasn't sure what that was called.  

Thank you very much!

C

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 02:56

Cheryl'B

I was considering picking up an old mangle iron.  There is one local in working condition for $50.  Do you think that will work?  Or should I stick with the iron and rolling pin?

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 03:11

SallyE (not verified)

I'm wondering about your sett. . . . I usually use a set of 24 with 5/2 cotton.

It's a beautiful pattern!

 

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 03:20

Cheryl'B

me a better suggestion on set that would be awesome.  I looked at some charts and to be honest I'm not sure what I should be going by.  This is all new to me.  I am half done with my warp (doing it in 2 bouts) but I can always add on more.

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 05:05

laurafry

If you aren't happy with 20 epi you can always resley to 24.  I haven't found that hot mangles give enough compression to really do a good job of *pressing*, but maybe I just haven't met one that will....

cheers,

Laura

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 11:17

ReedGuy

That really looks awsome for 4 shafts. Someone really knows their stuff. :) What does the draft look like when you switch to fabric interlacement mode? I guess the best way to find what it looks like it to sample if your not used to the sett of that yarn. But then even a draft can have an effect on the sett with the same yarn, going from one draft to another.

That draft is going to take some concentration when treadling. ;)

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 15:28

Cheryl'B

with all white ends and with the threads shown.  Not what I'm hoping for but I still like and will be doing it at the recommended 24 epi and three total pattern repeats.

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 16:03

SallyE (not verified)

Do you see the overall pattern at all?   I'm wondering if you can see it on the loom - I can't see it on the draft you just posted.   I'm wondering if it's worth the concentration this requires to do the treddling if the pattern isn't showing up.  

One idea would be to use a slightly different color in place of the white for the weft.   For example, white in the warp and off white in the weft.  Or, a very light pink, or a light tan, etc. in the weft.

 

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 16:07

ReedGuy

I think it will be very difficult to see the pattern with white on white, even on the loom. It's just too busy. Something like a twill is not hard to see. So I'm with Sally, you need some color. ;)

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 16:45

Cheryl'B

 your concerns and heed your advice.

Everything I do is a learning experience and while a pattern with more floats would probably pronounce a pattern better, I think the outcome will still be quite pretty using the yarns.  I am adding a just bit of sparkle yarn to it (not sure what it's called).  While I would love to see the pattern, I still think I will like it.  The concentration that is needed, is needed for me to gain the experience with the beat, etc......so, I think it's all good.  This is not for me, nor is it an xmas gift.  I'm using my sister in law's love for anything and making it for her.  It's my way of practicing.  

Please do not think I don't take everything in, I do, and really really appreciate all of the help and comments you all provide.  

Here are the yarns

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 16:59

SallyE (not verified)

Which of the whites did you use for the warp?   If you use the plain white in the warp and then the sparkle white in the weft, or vice versa, the pattern might show up in reality, but not in the weaving program.   That might be very interesting!

 

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 17:12

Cheryl'B

I am using both whites in the warp and weft.  What I've done is the first and last three threads in the warp, and also in the warp I've done three before and after the V and one in the center of the V.  At three per dent for 24 epi I have just figured out which dents the sparkle goes in because I wound that separately.  This is quite the project and I hope it all turns out okay.  If not, I will chalk it up to a learning experience.  Either way I will learn something from this!

And, I am not getting the mangle iron.  If it won't do the job it is not needed.  Maybe compressing with the iron and rolling pin on marble will do something for the pattern.  

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 17:55

Cheryl'B

Here is the link for any of you, as I will be out the rest of the day.  Please let me know if the link does not work.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/fitykz0wpvg83b8/0SeqD_EkcP

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 20:25

kerstinfroberg

stay with one weft - be it the sparkly, the white-white or an un-bleached. Have confidence; weave it to the end, wet finish and mangle/press. The pattern will show, but will not be as "obvious" as in your white/red drawdown above. It may not be, hm, visible to the un-initiated - but the more they look, the more they will see!

 

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 03:10

sally orgren

If you can, stick to one of the whites in the warp, use the other in the weft.

To see how this would work before executing — in your software, pick a slightly off-white to indicate the warp or weft. Keep the white-white for the alternate element. The pattern will show with a slight difference. Would be very cool!

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 03:27

Cheryl'B

do just the mercerized white for the weft with the exception of the green and red in the center of the pattern.  I can undo the red and green weft if I don't like how they look.  Part of the loom warped, just the sparkle, red and green.  Will finish tomorrow after work and hopefully start on weaving.

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 14:35

sequel (not verified)

When you wet finish, use synthropol or Shout Color Catcher and dry quickly to keep the red and green from bleeding into the white.

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 14:43

gailc

One problem with putting the red and green in the middle of the pattern is that the center star-like portion is not a simple stripe - it widens in the center. The pattern will not really show up if that is what you are planning.
Mon, 12/03/2012 - 15:17

Cheryl'B

the yarns for colorfastness..Thank you, it seems good. Yeah, I was contemplatingthe stripe issue. Not sure what I will do with that.

Thu, 12/06/2012 - 04:07

Cheryl'B

sleying the loom.  Covered it with towels so my kitty leaves it be.  Wanted to start weaving tonight but my eyes are getting pretty heavy and I don't want to mess up the treadling.  I hope to get a lot of weaving done tomorrow.  

Thu, 12/06/2012 - 12:07

endorph

definitely want to be alert when you are weaving - good luck and let us see pics of the progress!
Thu, 12/06/2012 - 15:20

Sara von Tresckow

Just read this thread for the first time - one suggestion that has not yet appeared is to test your wefts. Yes, weave an inch or so and see how it looks. If you can weave, you can unweave and start over with a different weft yarn. While you don't have the effect you would have after finishing, it will give you a much better idea of how things will look later.

Also, one limitation of weaving software is the general lack of fabric simulation available. Weavepoint 7.1 has pretty strong capabilities to show subtleties in the look of your fabric (this is not the drafting screen, but a separate view) as if it is real threads, not just graphed squares.

5/2 cotton is pretty strong thread - the contours of the pattern will definitely show more than if you were using, say 20/2 for the same draft.

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 02:29

Cheryl'B

for your input.  Here and there I can see the pattern just a bit, but, I do have to say I really like it.  I've wovern about 2 feet so far and hope to have it off the loom tomorrow.  Kind of hard to see anything here but this is what it is looking like.

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 14:18

jemwork (not verified)

What a text you will have to go with what looks to be a lovely piece of weaving. I can see the pattern coming up in the red/green areas. In the white/whiter areas I can see something going on - its like someone else posted earlier - each look will reward you. I'm glad you have the red/green repeat - a simple, elegant seasonal look. Very Scandinavian.

Please keep sharing your progress...

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 19:46

Cheryl'B

Very hard to capture the pattern with the camera.  As Kerstin stated, the pattern does show and is different with different lighting.  I am absolutely thrilled how it came out and cannot wait to give it to my sister-in-law tomorrow.    

There really is "Magic In The Water"  !!!

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 23:08

ReedGuy

Now that's quite something. I know what you mean about lighting with photos. Sometimes it's real challenge to capture it.

Looks great to me. :) Even better when it meets your expectations.

Mon, 12/10/2012 - 18:51

ryashani (not verified)

I love the texture of this!