I am Russus d'Cosenza, Barony of Altavia, Kingdom of Caid.  My son Niccolo d'Angelo got me involved almost a year ago in the SCA.  I am a long time reenactor of other time periods.  I have been interested in weaving for some time.  I was recently given a LeClerc Jack Loom.  My main interest is in the recreation of period fabric.  I will be dressing my loom next month after returning from vacation.  I am a retired teacher and intend to demonstrate period weaving (once I get "up to speed")......to satisfy that teacher in me.  I'm especially interested in the "Spanish" horizontal loom as it transfers to another time period that I reenact.  Early 14th Century (Queen Giovanna II, Naples) is my focus. 

I am a beginner and trust that I will learn much from this group.  Thanks for creating it and allowing me in.     Russus

Comments

Thu, 06/11/2009 - 20:14

Lara (not verified)

 My name is Baroness Khalja, OP.  I'm from An Tir.  Elfreda, the lady who started this group, is my weaving guru. ;)

I have several looms, an 45" 8 shaft Cyrefco, a 28" 4 shaft Allen Brothers folding loom, an 18" 4 shaft table loom, a tablet weaving loom and an inkle loom.

I have been weaving on a floor loom for a year or so, I think.  So far I have mostly woven woolen fabric for early period costuming, but I'm looking forward to venturing into linen and maybe some smaller, more complex and experimental pieces.

Tue, 07/07/2009 - 13:20

Lisas Fleeces (not verified)

Hi,

I'm Maya from the Shire of Beau Fort in the Kingdom of Meridies. My interest is in researcing and reproducing Perugia towels & linens.

I have a Baby Wolf and a Big Mac, both 4 harness, and assorted wheels, tools, dropspindles and lots or yarns and fibers stashed. I'm new to this online group stuff. I'm fumbling my way around Etsy, WeaveTeam and this site. Can I play with you guys?

Maya

Tue, 07/07/2009 - 18:30

Erica J

Baroness Khalja,

I am working on my first piece of early period. cloth. I would appreciate any lessons you can pass along to those of us who are just starting in this area! Especially in terms of working with loom in a wide width!

Namaste,

Jahanarabanu Vivana

Tue, 10/06/2009 - 21:58

Jeanne-Marie (not verified)

Jeanne-Marie from the Outlands here.  I have been weaving for 16 years.  I have a 4 harness Leclec which has been with me since the begining and an 8-shaft baby wolf who just came into my home.  I also have a 4-shaft 8 inch structo loom.  I actaully just got brave enough to cut the 10 yards of wool I wove two years ago to make a dress.

I did a set of Perugian towels last year and will be redoing them this year.  I was working with what I had on hand and now I want to get closer to what they wer ein period.  

I have just learned to spin as it is much more portable than my looms.

Looking forward to talking with everyone.

Sun, 10/25/2009 - 15:17

Erica J

Jean-Marie,

Would you please share more information regarding your Perugian towels. There are lots of folks here in Drachenwald that would love to weave their own Perugian towels, but being a Persian, I confess I don't know enough about them to help folks get started!

Namaste,

Erica/Jahanara

Tue, 11/03/2009 - 20:40

Jeanne-Marie (not verified)

  Sure. I would be happy to share what I know, although I am sure there are those with more information than I have.  Perugia is a town is Italy and one of it's known trade items from about 1300's onward were towels with a white linen warp and a white cotton weft.  On the ends were patterns in deep indigo blue cotton.  The patterned bit could be done as overshot, in laid or pick up. I did mine as overshot.

  There is a book called from "Bizaar to piazza, Islamic trade and Italian Art , 1300 to 1600" by Rosamond E. Mack.  She suggests that the Italian towels are actually cheap knock offs of  fine Egyptian  and Asian cotton towels. Which make sense when you think that Italy was not only along the trade route but also the locals would be in direct competition for customers.  

Here is a site with period images and some extant pieces:

http://www.larsdatter.com/perugia-towels.htm

 I learned a few things from making mine was while I had some lovely cotolin yarn to work with, the fiber was much bigger than what I was seeing in extant pieces.  For those of you who know flat weaving terms, I had 15 epi for my set. Most of the pieces were set much finer 24epi to 50epi.   Why this makes a difference is that the overshot I was was using for my design, had large floats.  Which I  find impractical for using as a towel.  

The other thing I learned was size.  When making mine I did them as what I think of as generous towels, finished dimensions of 20x34 inches.  However what I read lead me to believe that my towels would have been considered napkins. Average towels were 36 by 52 inches.

 

I hope there are others out there with more information and look forward to hearing more about them myself

Cheers

Jeanne-Marie

Wed, 03/03/2010 - 07:19

WeaverJohn (not verified)

Hello Everybody!

In the SCA I am Sheik Omar Mohammud Mirzazadeh, originally of Ansteorra and now of the Outlands (waves at Jeanne-Marie) with time spent in the Middle and the East.

My loom (Honey Sugar Baby) is a 4 shaft Baby Wolf that I got used from a friend (Mistress Kai of Aternveldt) who was downsizing her house before movign into her RV and hitting the road.

I'm just starting a project for Kingdom A&S 2011.  I'm going to design and weave a shawl for each Baroness of the Citadel of the Southern Pass.  This means I really need to get started on my documentation.  I know that point twills were found on the Oseberg Ship, but are their any other sources for complex weaves in period?  Any information or bibliographies would be appreciated.

WeaverJohn aka Omar

Fri, 03/26/2010 - 20:27

Jeanne-Marie (not verified)

Hio Sheik Omar Mohammud Mirazadeh!

 I look for to seek you out at Kingdom A&S.

 What kind of complex structure are you looking for?

Here is an out of period book but it does have drafts that were used in period.

http://www.handweaving.net/BooksList.aspx

Weber Kunst und Bild Buch, Marx Ziegler, 1677

A complete set of beautiful old block, hin und weider, and gebrochene drafts produced from the eariliest known published weaving pattern book, with corrections for errors in the original.

 

The other place I would send you for looking if you have not been there is the Complex weavers guild and specifically the Medieval Textile Study group.  You can look at a handful of their newsletters with some complex weaves discussed.

http://www.medievaltextiles.org/archives.html

Happy Hunting!

Jeanne-Marie

Outlands

Fri, 03/26/2010 - 20:28

Jeanne-Marie (not verified)

That should have been looking forward to seeking you out... fingers and brains and lethal combination.

Thu, 06/11/2009 - 20:14

Lara (not verified)

 My name is Baroness Khalja, OP.  I'm from An Tir.  Elfreda, the lady who started this group, is my weaving guru. ;)

I have several looms, an 45" 8 shaft Cyrefco, a 28" 4 shaft Allen Brothers folding loom, an 18" 4 shaft table loom, a tablet weaving loom and an inkle loom.

I have been weaving on a floor loom for a year or so, I think.  So far I have mostly woven woolen fabric for early period costuming, but I'm looking forward to venturing into linen and maybe some smaller, more complex and experimental pieces.

Tue, 07/07/2009 - 13:20

Lisas Fleeces (not verified)

Hi,

I'm Maya from the Shire of Beau Fort in the Kingdom of Meridies. My interest is in researcing and reproducing Perugia towels & linens.

I have a Baby Wolf and a Big Mac, both 4 harness, and assorted wheels, tools, dropspindles and lots or yarns and fibers stashed. I'm new to this online group stuff. I'm fumbling my way around Etsy, WeaveTeam and this site. Can I play with you guys?

Maya

Tue, 07/07/2009 - 18:30

Erica J

Baroness Khalja,

I am working on my first piece of early period. cloth. I would appreciate any lessons you can pass along to those of us who are just starting in this area! Especially in terms of working with loom in a wide width!

Namaste,

Jahanarabanu Vivana

Tue, 10/06/2009 - 21:58

Jeanne-Marie (not verified)

Jeanne-Marie from the Outlands here.  I have been weaving for 16 years.  I have a 4 harness Leclec which has been with me since the begining and an 8-shaft baby wolf who just came into my home.  I also have a 4-shaft 8 inch structo loom.  I actaully just got brave enough to cut the 10 yards of wool I wove two years ago to make a dress.

I did a set of Perugian towels last year and will be redoing them this year.  I was working with what I had on hand and now I want to get closer to what they wer ein period.  

I have just learned to spin as it is much more portable than my looms.

Looking forward to talking with everyone.

Sun, 10/25/2009 - 15:17

Erica J

Jean-Marie,

Would you please share more information regarding your Perugian towels. There are lots of folks here in Drachenwald that would love to weave their own Perugian towels, but being a Persian, I confess I don't know enough about them to help folks get started!

Namaste,

Erica/Jahanara

Tue, 11/03/2009 - 20:40

Jeanne-Marie (not verified)

  Sure. I would be happy to share what I know, although I am sure there are those with more information than I have.  Perugia is a town is Italy and one of it's known trade items from about 1300's onward were towels with a white linen warp and a white cotton weft.  On the ends were patterns in deep indigo blue cotton.  The patterned bit could be done as overshot, in laid or pick up. I did mine as overshot.

  There is a book called from "Bizaar to piazza, Islamic trade and Italian Art , 1300 to 1600" by Rosamond E. Mack.  She suggests that the Italian towels are actually cheap knock offs of  fine Egyptian  and Asian cotton towels. Which make sense when you think that Italy was not only along the trade route but also the locals would be in direct competition for customers.  

Here is a site with period images and some extant pieces:

http://www.larsdatter.com/perugia-towels.htm

 I learned a few things from making mine was while I had some lovely cotolin yarn to work with, the fiber was much bigger than what I was seeing in extant pieces.  For those of you who know flat weaving terms, I had 15 epi for my set. Most of the pieces were set much finer 24epi to 50epi.   Why this makes a difference is that the overshot I was was using for my design, had large floats.  Which I  find impractical for using as a towel.  

The other thing I learned was size.  When making mine I did them as what I think of as generous towels, finished dimensions of 20x34 inches.  However what I read lead me to believe that my towels would have been considered napkins. Average towels were 36 by 52 inches.

 

I hope there are others out there with more information and look forward to hearing more about them myself

Cheers

Jeanne-Marie

Wed, 03/03/2010 - 07:19

WeaverJohn (not verified)

Hello Everybody!

In the SCA I am Sheik Omar Mohammud Mirzazadeh, originally of Ansteorra and now of the Outlands (waves at Jeanne-Marie) with time spent in the Middle and the East.

My loom (Honey Sugar Baby) is a 4 shaft Baby Wolf that I got used from a friend (Mistress Kai of Aternveldt) who was downsizing her house before movign into her RV and hitting the road.

I'm just starting a project for Kingdom A&S 2011.  I'm going to design and weave a shawl for each Baroness of the Citadel of the Southern Pass.  This means I really need to get started on my documentation.  I know that point twills were found on the Oseberg Ship, but are their any other sources for complex weaves in period?  Any information or bibliographies would be appreciated.

WeaverJohn aka Omar

Fri, 03/26/2010 - 20:27

Jeanne-Marie (not verified)

Hio Sheik Omar Mohammud Mirazadeh!

 I look for to seek you out at Kingdom A&S.

 What kind of complex structure are you looking for?

Here is an out of period book but it does have drafts that were used in period.

http://www.handweaving.net/BooksList.aspx

Weber Kunst und Bild Buch, Marx Ziegler, 1677

A complete set of beautiful old block, hin und weider, and gebrochene drafts produced from the eariliest known published weaving pattern book, with corrections for errors in the original.

 

The other place I would send you for looking if you have not been there is the Complex weavers guild and specifically the Medieval Textile Study group.  You can look at a handful of their newsletters with some complex weaves discussed.

http://www.medievaltextiles.org/archives.html

Happy Hunting!

Jeanne-Marie

Outlands

Fri, 03/26/2010 - 20:28

Jeanne-Marie (not verified)

That should have been looking forward to seeking you out... fingers and brains and lethal combination.