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bolivian warmi

This looking very nice. I have no idea about linen. What does it look like before it is spun? Is it stringy or fluffy? Anyway I was curious about this single strap bag that you mention and so I checked out your blog. That's a great pattern!

Kristina (not verified)

 Great to see my favorite fibre in handspun here!

I made some experiences with handspun linen too and I had not ventured so far to use my handspun for the warp.  You have done it very well!

Did you take singles for the warp? A little help against fuzziness is to spin wet, but it will not prevent the need of starch at all.

Great project and I´ m curious to see the finished fabric- especially because linen in use becomes more and more beautiful!

 Kristina

Thumper70 (not verified)

Hi Kristina,

Thanks!

I'm a HUGE linen fan. I think its a dream to spin and lovely to use.

I used singles on this project - I really wanted to push myself. I've heard of spinning wet before and when I've tried it (without any instruction) I ended up looking like a drowned fluffy cat after 15 minutes with all the damp linen fibre sticking to me, my clothes, my hair, it literally went everywhere! . . . . obviously I was doing something wrong (grin) any tips would be hugely appreciated.

Thumper70 (not verified)

Hi Laverne,

linen pre-spinning is . . .hmmm. . . its not fluffy like wool, i don't know if I'd say its "stringy" but . . . OH here we go . . .think coconut fiber - you know the brown husky stuff that covers the outside of a coconut - its a finer version of that. Its a joy to spin, and I'm finding that I really like using it for weaving.

Yeah the pattern is wonderful. I've just taken the fabric off the loom and am getting ready to sew it all up. Amazingly I ended up with exactly 17cm wide and 2.5 m long strip (just a pinch longer than is shown on the pattern) so assuming my sewing skills are up to the job I ought to end up with something similar to that shown in the pattern.

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dteaj (not verified)

Very nice work. I love linen, but it can be hard to tension just so. I'm really impressed that you've done this on a rigid heddle.

Handspinners (well, me anyway) want to know. Tow flax or line? WPI?

Thumper70 (not verified)

 

Thanks!

I must confess my ignorance here "tow flax"? "line"? (I might know the answer to your question without realising it - grin).

I did not have too much difficulty with the tension itself - once I took steps to deal with the . . . ."flaws" in my loom design. There was one warp thread that for whatever reason had a mind of its own - one minute it was loose and the next it was taught but that did not have any siginificant impact on the weaving.

Kristina (not verified)

   Hi Thumper,

I found a youtube video about wet spun flax. Maybe helpful for you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Qw6pVgw9UU&feature=related

I did it in a similar way, with a little bowl of water beside to smooth the thread ( you`re gonna get wrinkled fingers :O).   The difference between Tow fibre and linen fibre is - so far I know - that tow is more like wadding and mat, and linen is a roving with this special shine. At the picture you will see linen roving and  wetspun  at left, and tow fibre and three plyed yarn on the right.

Hope that helps!

Your bag is looking super!

Kristina

 

Thumper70 (not verified)

Ja!

Thanks so much - it appears that your original attempt has now emerged from the ether.

For others looking at this - I used the "linen" rather than the tow fibre.

dteaj (not verified)

Line flax is long - 2-3 feet in length, spun from a distaff - a pole or cagelike item or sometimes out of a towel. Very smooth, very strong. probably overkill for a bag, but great fun to spin. Usually sold as a braid of 4-6 oz. You would know if you were spinning it, so you are undoubtedly spinning tow.

Tow flax is short - 2-4 inches. Usually sold as roving or top. It is the cut and left over bits. Still makes a nice yarn. Not as strong or smooth a yarn. Often used for towels because of its great absorbancy.

Here's a link that shows both. Roving on the left, line on the right.

Anyway, great job!

 

dteaj (not verified)

Hmm, Kristina. Your use of the words and mine seem to be somewhat different. The youtube video clip is clearly line flax - on a pole, quite long. The fiber on the left in your picture looks like what I would call flax roving and consider tow. How long are the fibers? I've never seen the  quality of flax you show on the right. It looks incredibly short - almost like cotton.

I've always wondered how Bockens can get away with calling their yarn line linen when the fiber length in their yarn is 3-4 inches. Perhaps it is a difference in terminology. (Very nice yarn, by the way, I really like using it. I just think of it as the best machine spinning can produce.)

However, I've got to say that any flax that is less than a foot has got to be cut pieces of fiber or combings, not the original fiber length which is what I've always been told was line...

What do you think?

Kristina (not verified)

 

Hi, I read in a German textile lexicon that tow yarn is spun from carded short fibers. Just like on my picture to see the right. The Flax linen is usually made of carded (combed). And there the fibres are clearly longer.  But I also think that terms-as so often-used differently by local traditions. Here in Germany is still a lot of Flax grown and processed.It´s part of german tradition. It can be seen on every farmer's old trade. In the neighboring village there is even a linen museum
http://www.haiger.de/freizeit/Sehenswürdigkeiten/Leinenmuseum/Leinenmuseum.htm
Linen ( Leinen) is the German name for the flax yarn from Flaxplant and otherwise rather unspecific.

 

 

kerstinfroberg

I'm very late with this, but...

In industrial line spinning the long fibres coming from the carders (I think they call them carders - or maybe combs), are divided into several narrower strips ("pre-yarn" - I haven't enough knowledge of industrial terms in English - could that be "tops", perhaps?). The pre-yarn is then successively drafted/stretched, as in any spinning process. The drafting make the fibres break, but they are still parallell. At some point in the drafting process the fibres are moistened, drafted some more and go into the spinning part of the machine.

The industrial tow yarn is spun more or less the same way, but is made of shorter fibres.

Växbo lin is the only industrial flax spinning mill in Sweden just now - unfortunately their web page is only in Swedish.

weave2 (not verified)

Sorry, but I only just saw your post.  But, I have a question, why were you placing two threads in each heddle?  Were you using a rigid heddle loom? 

I love linen and have woven with it with great results.  I haven't spun it yet, but hope to soon. 

Cheers!

weave2 (not verified)

Sorry, but I only just saw your post.  But, I have a question, why were you placing two threads in each heddle?  Were you using a rigid heddle loom? 

I love linen and have woven with it with great results.  I haven't spun it yet, but hope to soon. 

Cheers!

jeannine (not verified)

i have deleted a double post. 

 

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I treated my handspun linen with starch as per a suggestion by someone here on site (apologies I can't remember off the cuff who it was) - this pre-treatment I think has made an enormous contribution to the success of the weaving to date. One thing that seems to happen - and it could simply be my inexperience with spinning linen - is that it gets a bit fuzzy - the starch helps prevent snags but you still have to keep an eye out for the occasional fluff-catching-fluff on the back side of the heddle.

I started out using two heddles and quickly realised that this was not going to work - I'm not entirely sure why yet. I have noticed that using two heddles does not work with every fibre. I was able to quickly assess that this was going to be the case - and re threaded the heddle with two threads in each hole & slot. This combined with the single weft thread has made for a really nice texture.

I'm about 3/4 finished weaving - once its off the loom I'm planning to try to make a bag using the single strap pattern.

Assuming all goes well the next thing will be to play with dyeing, and using some string heddle patterning.

 

***Update*** 28 Mar 10

finished. I had to sit and carefully look at the diagram for the pattern I was using (which is very clear by the way) to be sure that I got the "inside" in and the "outside" out - for things like finishing edges.

A quick zig zag stitch along the ends of the piece allowed me to clip off the "fringe" and give it a nice folded edge. If it were wider I might have tried a french roll but since a nice "hard" edge is good for a bag I went for a basic folded seam.

I'm really pleased with the end result. It was purely experimental and I worked on a learning curve to be sure but the end product is attractive and functional - what more could you ask for (grin).

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